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            When you were working on Dr. No was there any 
            hint that the film would be something special?
            No, I wish there had been because I was offered a 
            part of it as wages.
 
      
            During From Russia With Love 
            I heard that you had a few problems with the rats in the Istanbul 
            sequences. What actually happened? 
            You obviously remember the sequence with all the rats 
            scurrying up and down the sewers. Well, we weren’t allowed to 
            use...wild rats, I don’t know what else you would call them. Anyway, 
            we weren’t allowed to use them in England due to the infection. So 
            we started off with an idea I had of using tame white rats. We 
            coated them in cocoa powder to darken them down, Cadbury’s I think 
            it was. Anyway, the heat of the lamps caused them to slow down and 
            sit there licking off all the powder gradually making themselves 
            whiter and whiter. So then we had to find somewhere else to shoot 
            the whole sequence. Finally we went to Spain, where we were allowed 
            to use sewer rats. So I set up the whole sequence in a large garage. 
            A large sheet of thick armour-plated glass protected all the camera 
            crew. The remainder of the set was then erected as ’rat escape 
            proof’ as we could make it.
 
            What was Sean Connery’s and the crew’s reaction to 
            the rats?
            Sean was standing on a chair with the rest of us! But 
            you know how we did the tarantula sequence in Dr. No? It was 
            a sheet of glass erected over Sean, which the spider walked across. 
            Funny enough I thought that the glass shot worked quite well. I 
            wished it had been a trifle shorter, but then again I was looking 
            for it, so I could see that the thing was not crawling over the 
            contours of Sean’s body. For the close-up shots of the spider 
            crawling over Bond’s shoulder we used Bob Simmons who stood in – or 
            laid in – for Sean. We had a doctor standing by all the time, ready 
            with an injection of serum in case Bob got bitten. But back to the 
            rats. The Spanish Rat-Catchers provided us with rats of all shapes 
            and sizes. Some were really horrible. All patchy and – ugh, 
            horrible. Once again under the lamps they became very lethargic and 
            we had to prompt them with sticks and all sorts of things. Lit 
            torches, tapping them with sticks on their backsides. You name it we 
            tried it, just to get them to scamper and run. Of course in the end 
            most of them did escape. I think I was the second one up on a chair 
            when that happened. Cubby Broccoli beat me to it, even though he was 
            much bigger than I was!
 
            So 
            how many rats do you think you had in all?
      Oh, I think about two or three hundred. Unfortunately 
            in a way, we had to kill them all in the end to stop them spreading 
            disease, what with them being Sewer Rats.
 
            From 
            Russia With Love 
            was very different in style from Dr. No. Since Dr. No 
            was so successful, why did the producers decide to go for a straight 
            thriller rather than something more in keeping with the first film? 
            ‘Russia’ is often picked as one, if not the best Bond film in the 
            series.
            What is your view? Well for one thing it had more story and guts to it 
            than Dr. No. I liked the film, I must say for many reasons. 
            To answer you as to why the change, I don’t know. I think a lot was 
            due to Terence Young again. Also seeing the public’s reaction to 
            Dr. No, discussions amongst the production team had quite a bit 
            to do with it.
 
            Did 
            you at the time see the Bond films going on to the cult status they 
            are today?I could certainly see them going on, yes. Not to what 
            they are today, but I could see them making more and more and 
            becoming very popular. I think Bond is a figure that most men deep 
            in their hearts would like to be, and most women would like to meet. 
            It’s a fantasy figure that appeals to both sexes.
 
            Can you explain the difference between the terms 
            ‘Production Designer’ and ‘Art Director’?Ah. I don’t quite know how to start this one because 
            I’ve always had a thing about the term ‘Art Director’ being quite 
            sufficient for the job and a title to be proud of. ‘Production 
            Designer’ was brought in by someone who wanted to be a cut above the 
            ‘Art Director’. Let’s put it that way. In theory ‘Production 
            Designer’ should design the whole look of the film, in other words 
            he should be responsible for the way it’s lit, costumes if it’s a 
            period film, makeup if it’s horror and so on. Which doesn’t happen 
            in actual fact! And now I feel that it’s only an excuse to allow 
            what was once known as an assistant Art Director to be called an Art 
            Director for tax reasons, to be quite honest. You see, anyone below 
            the rank of Art Director is on P.A.Y.E. (Pay As You Earn) now, and 
            Art Directors and Production Designers can be on Schedule D, and 
            this is why you have these titles. Also according to ACTT ruling you 
            can’t have a ‘Production Designer’ without an ‘Art Director’. It’s 
            all very complicated
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            Where do you start when designing a set and how long does it usually 
            take?
            Well the first thing is to get hold of the script, 
            and as I read I get a mental picture of the action. I do large 
            sketches of what I have in mind and build the set from these working 
            closely with the director. The set is planned out with respect to 
            camera angles etc and the director gives his approval. On a Bond 
            picture you begin in plenty of time, but on average it takes about 
            ten weeks to design and build.
 
            How 
            did you discover Piz Gloria as a location for On Her Majesty’s 
            Secret Service?
            Presumably the building did not exist when 
            Ian Fleming wrote the novel. (It’s a 
            reasonable assumption that Ian Fleming based Blofeld’s mountaintop 
            headquarters on Adolf Hitler’s ‘Eagle’s Nest’ stronghold – Ed.)That’s true. When that set was first discussed, Harry 
            Saltzman, who was co-producer, took me to France saying he had 
            discovered the perfect location for Blofeld’s hideaway. He took me 
            to The Maginot Line, which was very interesting. He had made 
            arrangements to have a section opened for us. In case you don’t 
            know, The Maginot Line is made up of sections as opposed to just one 
            thing. Well, they opened it for us and we were given a guided tour. 
            We saw the dormitories and the canteens. They even had water boiling 
            in the kitchens to show us that everything was still in working 
            order. Then we went up in the lifts to the gun turrets, and even 
            they still worked. There is a small train that runs through The 
            Maginot Line and it was while we were riding on this that Harry 
            turned to me and asked my opinion. When I said I could reproduce 
            this on a stage back at Pinewood with help of false perspective sets 
            etc. he immediately asked the driver to turn the train back, and 
            within the hour we were driving back to Paris. So I suggested to 
            Harry it might be better that if instead of going underground, we 
            looked up. He then made another arrangement with the French and we 
            went to the French Alps. But we didn’t have much luck there. We 
            found one mountain that looked good, but we wouldn’t have been able 
            to film all around it, which was restricting. I then went onto 
            Switzerland and found this mountain at Muren which was opposite the 
            Eiger.
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